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It is most important to be Genuine. You can’t support two opposing agendas and be true to both

Posted by mrfixit on November 6, 2010

I’ve been having a conversation with a friend about the role of religion in our national discourse and the need to have candidates of solid moral character and integrity.  I’d like to be inclusive, but I have come to the conclusion that the modern Democrat Party is completely controlled and dominated with the radical progressive left who has as its goals the fundamental transformation of this nation from its individual rights respecting core to a collectivist communist/socialist based system.  It is NOT a conspiracy.  I have studied the platform of the Democrat Party, this is implied, and in places quite direct.  I cannot understand how an honorable person who understands this nation’s founding principles, and understands that party’s platform and agenda can honestly claim to support, uphold and defend the US Constitution.   They have to be lying to someone; these “systems” are not compatible.

Here is part of my reply, I wrote this following a conversation about the above title, and I was challenged as being extreme, but at the same time I’m told about how “Christians” are all extremists, but that apparently is logic not to be used for Democrats.

  OK,

      So let me see if I get this straight. Because some “Christians” are screwed up, don’t trust any of them, but because some Democrats might NOT fully support the party platform and that agenda, we need to be open minded to support them (even when parts of that agenda are at clear odds with the Constitutional limitations on government power and individual rights and liberty)?

       I’m confused this seems to be a contradiction.

       True Christians do not condemn anyone.  Condemnation is a role solely reserved for God alone.  ANYONE claiming to speak with authority of God who then condemns another is not legitimate.

      No human has the ability to see inside another soul to determine whether it is good or not.

       A true Christian understands we are all sinners, all fall short, none are more righteous than any other. 

       My pastor once explained it this way, Saddam Hussein is no less a sinner than Mother Teresa.  Now on the surface that seems outrageous, but Jesus taught we are not saved by “works” or deeds, we are saved by grace alone.

       Grace alone, that means by God’s grace, not grace granted by man.

           On the cross a thief was next to Jesus, this man was clearly a sinner, but by his belief, he was saved by grace.

       That is true Christian teaching.  Now there is a reason there is a protestant church, the Catholic Church was getting payments to grant special status to those that gave, those that did works were given special status.  This is not supported by scripture, and that is what led Martin Luther to rebel, he did as Jefferson did, he appealed to reason, studied the Bible and found that much of the teachings of the day were in error. 

      Now, as he did so did many others after, which is why there are so many different church organizations out there today, but it is not the individual organizations that are important.

       It is the central belief in an INDIVIDUAL personal, FREE will, belief in faith.  As one who now believes, in a true savior, but what is first and foremost in the free will and individual choice, without that the belief is not genuine, it is hollow, like say a Democrat telling the party faithful that they believe in the platform then advocating against it on the campaign trail.  It is not genuine. Either they lie in campaigning, or lie to the party to get mainstream support. 

       It is more important to be genuine. 

       Christians might come to believe that we are saved by grace alone, and that those who choose not to believe might not face a great ending, but we do not personally condemn anyone, because we are not God and as such cannot see inside anyone else’s soul.  Even Saddam Hussein has just as much ability to be saved as a Saint, all he has to do is come to believe the second before death and pass judgment from God, no one on earth can ever know how that ends.

       Yes, Jefferson had a real problem with organized religion, especially when it mixed with government.  I am completely agreed that the two should not mix, but that is not in the form of an establishment.  It does not mean we cannot say under God in the pledge, clearly that refers to the foundation of this nation, which any objective study shows Devine inspiration, but not a government religion.

 His quote that best summarizes this strong opposition of a government established religion is this:

 “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

Ben Franklin once described the “American Religion” this way: Paraphrase here…

 Asked what the American Religion was, He replied, that there is a God, that we are to serve him by serving each other, that we will be judged in the end. 

 I’ll try to find the exact words, but that is the gist of it.  It is not specific to a particular religious institution, and that is exactly the point, but it was also not devoid of recognition of a higher power, a God, a creator.

 And he also said this:

  “God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

 And another from Jefferson:

 Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.

Thomas Jefferson

3rd president of US (1743 – 1826)

 In closing on your latest, you know if you read my blog, I choose to not be offended.  

 With that said, many a Christian, and I’m one, might take offense at this:

 “they do condemn all those who do not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior to hell.”

 The big reason, as I described above, it is NOT TRUE.

 While some may well say this, they attempt to tell you it is what Christians believe, but it is not correct.  We do not condemn anyone, we pray for them!  We pray for others to find the light and be saved.  It is not our place to save or condemn, we believe that is solely and uniquely the realm of God.  If any MAN claims to know who will be condemned, they assume to know what only God can know; a true Christian is warned of many false prophets, for this very reason.  There are many, and many claim to be Christian, but that does not make it so.

 Would it not make sense for any believer in God to assume that those who work against his will would be condemned by God? 

 We might assume, but not claim to know; therefore we cannot actually condemn anyone.  As far as assumptions go, you know the saying – far from conclusive.

 It is not the believer that condemns, we just realize there are consequences and we seek to save ourselves and as many others as will listen and understand.

 That is not condemnation that is “love thy neighbor”, even the unbelievers.  

Hope that clears up some misunderstandings

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